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The Power We Have
Ivor Cummins says he considers his interview with Mattias Desmet one of his most important ever. It's actually much more than that.
I posted earlier about this phenomenal interview Ivor Cummins did with Mattias Desmet. I finally finished listening to the entire interview (it’s just over an hour), and it’s even more phenomenal than I could have imagined.
So I spent good chunk of this afternoon transcribing what I think are the most important parts, and I am posting them here, and in a second post that will follow.
Here’s what is so incredible about this interview: First, as Ivor says, “this is the skeleton key, the master key, that goes beyond simply explaining logic and data and facts to people, which as Mattias said, sometimes doesn't really get through this skin of psychosis. They need to really understand the bigger picture, in order to break the spell."
Mattias talks about that bigger picture, and about what lies beyond the logic and the data. But he does something more than that. In describing these higher ways of understanding our world, and in talking about the very real power that we have - not to beat down, but to transcend the mass formation around us, he transcends it himself. And for about an hour, we get to experience exactly what he is talking about.
In the interview, Desmet is operating on a much higher level than the cretins we are up against. Like, another level of evolution higher. His thinking and his insights have him soaring above those who operate at the lower frequencies of fear and deception and darkness. And that soaring is itself enough to change things.
This is crucial to understand. This is where we have power. This is why we must continue to speak out. Not because we're going to change the minds of the masses. But because being and speaking at that higher frequency creates light. And light is the only thing that can fight darkness.
He does it here in this interview. Desmet is creating light. Watch him do it.
In speaking, Desmet elevates not only the conversation, but a piece of humanity. And in so doing, he opens up space for each of us to do the same. I challenge anyone to listen to this interview and not be uplifted, not be transformed by it.
This is our power.
Why it Is So Important that We Continue to Speak Out:
(Starting at around 41:12)
[Paraphrasing Gustav LeBon - one of the first scholars who studied the phenomenon of mass formation, in the 19th century.]
When a mass emerges, there is typically a group, a small group, who is not in the grip of the mass formation, and that small group typically tries to show the people how absurd the narrative is…
…and, Gustav LeBon said, the small group usually won't succeed in waking up the masses. That's almost impossible, because it's such a strong type of hypnosis. But, he said, it's not because these people don't succeed in waking up the masses, that they have no effect. They do have a very important effect.
When these voices continue to speak out in a quiet way, they will typically prevent the mass formation to go so deep that the mass formation arrives in this end stage, where the masses become convinced, and the leaders become convinced, that it is their ethical duty to destroy everyone who doesn't participate in this new solidarity, in this new citizenship.
So that's the extremely important effect everyone has who continues to speak out and to go against the mainstream narrative during a mass formation. And history has shown, time and time again, what happens when the resistance …when these people stop to speak out. That happened in 1930 in the Soviet Union, and 1935 in Nazi Germany, and within a period of six months, the destruction campaigns started.
…During the Corona crisis, I think there were many people who continued to speak out, and it could well be that it were exactly these people that made sure that the mass formation did not go deeper and deeper and deeper. And I hope that the same people, when it is needed, that they will continue to speak out. No matter how difficult it becomes.
How Upholding our own Humanity Makes Us Stronger:
(Starting at around 46:05)
…as the mass formation continues, the masses always exhaust themselves. They always lose their energy, for certain reasons. That's something that is very well known… the point is that what we have to make sure (of is) that the masses exhaust themselves before they destroy the people who do not go along with them.
…That's one reason why we have to continue to speak out, but there are also other reasons.
If the world is dehumanizing, and some people stick to the principles of humanity, they will usually go through a very fast process of evolution as a human being. There is something that is described, for instance, by Solzhenitsyn… it's also described by Victor Frankl.
Solzhenitsyn describes how in the gulags in the Soviet Union, most prisoners started to behave in a beast-like manner, in a beastly way. They crushed each other's skulls to steal each others' food and clothes during the night. In the end, they became even worse for each other than the guards were already for them.
But there was a small group of prisoners, Solzhenitsyn said, a small percentage who went in exactly the opposite direction. Who tried, in this pool of darkness, to represent a little bit of light, a little bit of humanity, and …who rediscovered the principles of humanity under these very difficult conditions, and who, more and more, stayed loyal to these principles of humanity.
And Solzhenitsyn describes how …in this small group of people, something very typical happens: This group of people, mentally, became stronger and stronger, and felt more and more psychological energy. And …several among them became also stronger and stronger at the physical level.
So this is a strange process of… when people do their best to remain human in a dehumanizing world - and mass formation is always a dehumanizing process - they will typically go through a fast process of evolution at the human level. And I think that's what we should focus on.
The Most Elementary Principle of Humanity: To Articulate the Words that Seem Honest and Sincere:
We cannot predict precisely what will happen, that's impossible… but we can be sure of one thing. That we ourselves will stick to the principles of humanity, and that we will do our best to reinvent them, to re-articulate them… and for me, the most basic, the most elementary principle of humanity is that …the human being should try to articulate the words that seem honest and sincere.
As a human being, you have an ethical duty to articulate the words that emerge in yourself and that seem sincere and honest.
And, if we do that, I think there is a good chance that this small group, while the masses exhaust themselves and become weaker, that the small group becomes stronger and stronger and stronger [emphasis mine], that it sees the principles of humanity clearer and clearer and clearer, and at exactly the right moment, it can provide a new model for a new human living together and for a new way, for a new kind of …more humane society. I think that might be the deeper meaning of the process we are going through.
The Point of Gravity in a Totalitarian System:
(Starting at around 55:30)
I think it would be a mistake …to situate the point of gravity in this elite. That's very important… in a totalitarian system, the point of gravity is always situated in the masses who are in the grip of a certain ideology. That means that if you would destroy the elite, in a totalitarian system, there would immediately, the same elite would be recreated. That's the point. Just because, as long as the masses are in the grip of a certain ideology, they will simply recreate the same elite time and time again.
The next portion of the interview goes into a distinctly different subject matter, so I have published that as a separate post, here.