I remember some years ago that David Friedman had a book and some videos on his vision of a stateless society. It's somewhat similar to Bob's, from what I can recall. I remember, specifically, Friedman saying that his vision is just ONE possibility among near-infinite types of possibilities for organizing a stateless society. I think these proposed scenarios are wonderful for those that retort with "but, but, how?!" when you bring up the concept of people evolving to want and actualize a stateless society. These various visions could also be great framework (or even a foundation) to consider for building order and the provision of vital services as such a society comes into being.
Bob said: "And so the two specific attributes of the state that I have in mind are the fact that it engages in taxation and that it claims, at least within a certain territory, a monopoly on the determination of the legitimate use of violence"
I define government, or the state, as a framework through which folks rob folks to finance up-to-lethal enforcement of folks' opinions by folks against folks.
Talking about "the state" obscures that folks act against folks. A better definition of "the state" could be:
And so the two specific attributes of the state ... are the fact that [folks] engage in taxation and that [folks] claim, at least within a certain territory, a monopoly on the determination of the legitimate use of violence
Bob Murphy! AnCap! Woo hoo! I'm really enjoying this episode, Bretigne.
Awesome!!!
I remember some years ago that David Friedman had a book and some videos on his vision of a stateless society. It's somewhat similar to Bob's, from what I can recall. I remember, specifically, Friedman saying that his vision is just ONE possibility among near-infinite types of possibilities for organizing a stateless society. I think these proposed scenarios are wonderful for those that retort with "but, but, how?!" when you bring up the concept of people evolving to want and actualize a stateless society. These various visions could also be great framework (or even a foundation) to consider for building order and the provision of vital services as such a society comes into being.
...and here's another one, Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash", which I think is the best fictional account of one possible AnCap world:
https://www.amazon.com/Snow-Crash-Neal-Stephenson-audiobook/dp/B00005NZJA/ref=sr_1_1?crid=239O074OCRTRM&keywords=snow+crash+by+neal+stephenson&qid=1703956016&sprefix=Snow+crash%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-1
Yes, this is David Friedman's book:
https://www.amazon.com/Machinery-Freedom-Guide-Radical-Capitalism/dp/1507785607/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1703955977&sr=8-1
That's the one! Thank you. I couldn't recall the title...
I like the transcript option!
It’s a new thing - I’m going to see if it’s available for your episode.
Bob said: "And so the two specific attributes of the state that I have in mind are the fact that it engages in taxation and that it claims, at least within a certain territory, a monopoly on the determination of the legitimate use of violence"
I define government, or the state, as a framework through which folks rob folks to finance up-to-lethal enforcement of folks' opinions by folks against folks.
Talking about "the state" obscures that folks act against folks. A better definition of "the state" could be:
And so the two specific attributes of the state ... are the fact that [folks] engage in taxation and that [folks] claim, at least within a certain territory, a monopoly on the determination of the legitimate use of violence